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Ellen Voie answers questions about the CRST Sexual Harassment case Part III
In our continuing Q & A with Ellen Voie, President/Founder of “Women in Trucking” we present the final installment of the 32 questions including response from Heather.
30. Is CRST currently your sponsor? Why or Why Not? If not, who terminated the sponsorship?
Ellen: No, they have never been a sponsor. CRST is a member however. They should be given the opportunity to provide a safe environment for their drivers and that includes joining the association as a member.
31. You have contacted several people, asking them to submit ideas about creating a “Best Practices Policy”, some of these contributions, attributed to you, have appeared in articles. Why were the original authors of the contributions not given credit for their ideas?
Ellen: Who are these people who state that I have contacted them? Heather, please give me the reference you are citing. (Admin*** following an email exchange that still exists, some sentences were utilized in an article shortly afterwards. Due to the overwhelming response to these questions the persons do not wish to cause further embarrassment but the matters can be discussed privately)
32. Your “Friend” recently made phone calls to explain that your “Best Practices” White Paper you had your “Eye” on will require $100,000 to produce, Please Explain that price tag? (Admin*** this is in reference to Marge Bailey conversation days before these letters were exchanged)
Ellen: Heather, I have never made this claim regarding cost. Please identify who you are quoting and how they arrived at this estimate. This is another instance of “she said-he said” that was not attributed to me and I am not aware of the context.
I would like to clarify something about associations. I am a certified association executive. This means that I have undergone extensive training in how to run an association. I formed Women In Trucking through the process of legal applications, by-laws, anti-trust issues, non-conflict policies, employment law, etc. One of the first activities I did was to create a board of directors. I am legally bound to the collective instructions of the board of directors. The board is the governing body and includes a professional driver, industry executives, etc. When people criticize me for not being a driver, they don’t understand association management. I report to people who have over 300 years experience in the trucking industry and were chosen for their knowledge and experience. They determine my priorities and monitor my activities. If you or others have questions or concerns about Women In Trucking, feel free to contact our board chairwoman, Leigh Foxall, who I report to Leigh@womenintrucking.org (Admin*** original email CC:See Bio for Leigh Foxall Leigh@truckstop.com )
(Admin**** After receiving these questions a phone call between Ellen Voie, Marge Bailey, Char Pingel & Desiree Wood took place.
Ellen was reminded that Tracey Hamm had been involved in CRST Sexual Harassment case and was following Ellen on Twitter and Facebook.
Ellen was also advised that she had discredited Desiree Wood to filmmaker Beverly Petersen. Ellen did not recall this.
Tracy Hamm received an email moments after this short phone call and spoke to Ellen Voie. Tracy Hamm has read this Q & A and said she would be surprised if these answers above remained the same following her phone conversation with Ellen Voie.
A follow-up letter was written to clarify permission to post this dialogue due to the legal disclaimer attached to the email questions. This was due to the indicators present that Ellen Voie tends to be a “Litigious” person. ******
The following is the email by Heather Rose:
Dear Ms. Voie:
I appreciate you answering my questions. I would be lying if I said you have persuaded me. I am left with more questions about your experience level with Women’s Issues. You have left me to conclude that you are not proactive in searching for Women involved in the CRST case because I know there are many at your fingertips you have made little effort to interview.
You seem to be only satisfied with a management perspective of what is occurring. You state that you had to earn respect working in a male dominated industry but you fail to see that earning respect among Women Truckers when you are not one but aspire to represent them puts you in a precarious position.
I assume you know my questions will be made public to you and you state that you want transparency but you put a disclaimer in your responses so I cannot publish your answers for the public. This does not constitute transparency.
Many of your answers seem more inclined toward you rather than women truckers and despite the common knowledge that it was your organization that removed or deleted evidence of misconduct. I did not bring up the issue that your qualifications have come into question because of the handling of that Cyber-Stalking but you seemed to want to include this information.
I feel that you missed the opportunity to understand that if you cannot control a message forum and you have not experienced first-hand what it means to pick up a load, manage a logbook, dock a trailer, find suitable parking and you are continually dismissive of issues, you seem nothing more than a female corporate apologist.
You do admit to incidences to conceal and/or find fault with others who question you and I also find that you do not seem to be prepared to assert yourself in the Women Truckers need their issues raised properly.
I will make the questions public this weekend and I offer you the chance to give permission for your answers to be made public if you are 100% confident of your responses this should not present a problem.
Otherwise, I will make a disclaimer to say what I gleaned from your responses and allow other to provided supporting information to the contrary.
Sincerely,
Heather Rose
(Admin*** Permission to publish was returned by Ellen Voie with the following email:)
Ms. Rose,
I was not aware that you were asking me questions for publication purposes. Feel free to use my responses with the agreement that there will not be any alteration or editing. You may use them as written and without edits.
Please explain to me what you are referring to when you state that I removed “evidence of misconduct.” Please provide evidence that I have mishandled a cyber stalker. These are claims that are not substantiated. You claim that I am accountable for the WIT message forum, but there are people lying and slandering on sites which hide their identity. If there is one thing you can do to assist, it would be to tell me what you want in regard to what happened on the forum in the past. Why is this still an issue?
I am not aware of any CRST cover-up, if you have evidence to the contrary, please provide proof. You claim that I admit to incidences to conceal and/or find fault with others who question me, but this is not true. You are making assumptions about me. Stick to facts that you can prove. In regard to your assertion that I do not understand what it’s like to “to pick up a load, manage a logbook, dock a trailer, find suitable parking” you are wrong.
I accompanied my former husband on the road extensively. We strapped our son in the bunk in his baby seat and I traveled with him on many trips over 20 years. We owned three trucks and I drove them (not under a load). I also owned a consulting business for 18 years and audited log books, kept compliance records, completed compliance paperwork and more. I spent a lot of time at truck stops, in the truck, at shippers, etc. I have been honest about not having a CDL and have not misrepresented my background.
However, my role as an association manager means that I report to the population we represent. Only 20% of our members are drivers, and many of those are men. The greater part of my job is for those who are in the industry, not just drivers. That’s what the board of directors is for, to provide the insight into the industry.
Now I would like you to answer some questions.
Why don’t these websites say who is the owner/administrator?
http://www.facebook.com/REALWomenTruckers
http://realwomenintrucking.com/about/
http://twitter.com/Womentruckers
Why do you support slander and libel on your sites? Why do you feel that you must police our association? If you don’t support our mission, don’t join.
You have your own association called Real Women in Trucking or Real Women Truckers. Why are our activities your concern?
Why do you not hold OOIDA and other driver associations to the same level?
We are not a driver association, but OOIDA is.
There are women in trucking who do not drive. There are women in this industry who sell, fix, dispatch, recruit and lead companies. We represent all of them. Have you talked to any of our members to get insight on WHY they appreciate our efforts? Have you taken the time to find members who have been helped by our association? Why do you want to hurt these people who have joined and are benefiting from our services by continually questioning our activities and making false assumptions about who we are are and who we represent?
Ellen Voie CAE President/CEO
Women In Trucking, Inc.
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Note from Admin of REAL Women in Trucking:
This site was created as a safe place following the Cyber-Stalking that occurred from the “Women in Trucking” forum from 2008-2009. The need to dissect and attack other Women who were seeking answers as they embarked into the trucking industry is found to be part of the problem that needs to be corrected. Frequent retaliation for reporting abuse in Trucking makes it necessary to provide a place to speak without fear. Some of the Women who post on this site are engaged in pending legal actions and others are contemplating moving forward. Due to the climate in trucking toward Women Truckers anonymity is a must until REAL changes occur and are enforced. At this time we have only broken promises and very little representation we can trust.
R.E.A.L. stands for:
R. Reaching Out
E. Encouraging others
A. Achieving personal success
L. Leadership
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BRING IT ON! – Ethics in Sexual Harassment Training
BRING IT ON
– Who is responsible for Sexual Harassment Training?
Let’s face it, Women are naïve and add a good amount of pride they sometimes do things which get them into some bad situations.
I had hoped to complete a post called “The Wild West” which examines the similarity of the American West and Trucking with regards to the introduction of Women but I was distracted yet again.
Sweeping things under the rug just makes a big lump in the rug. Eventually, people trip some may fall and others might try to sue! Some legal action may be warranted from that lump of dirt but leaving it there makes it visible to others who might see an opportunity for a frivolous lawsuit.
When is it time to pull that rug outside? Sweep the dirt out, shake it and beat it with a broom? After the first lawsuit? 10, 20? 265?
I worked at Disneyland and boy people sure want to sue them. Some folks save all year, sometimes a few years to take the family on the great American Road Trip to see Mickey. The reality check comes when they arrive & Goofy does not open the front doors for them and they have to walk a mile from the parking area to the hotel with all the kids screaming to go potty.
Enter the Hotel Lobby to see 800 other families with screaming kids who are hungry, hot and come to find out Pluto does not swim in the pool like he does on your brochure, your room is not ready and it will be several hours because the 800 families who came last week have not checked out yet. OH BOY! Guess who gets yelled at?
There are a number of things going on in the scenario above:
1. High Stress Level
2. Disoriented Environment
3. Miscommunication
4. Misleading Advertising
5. Being Naïve
Who has the power to control of this situation? This is where good training comes into play when things get heated.
I use this “G” rated example to lead into truck driver training purposely because I see the same thing with Women entering this industry who have been misled from advertising and recruiters to think its one big party to be a trucker.
I see recruiting techniques that advertise both trucking jobs targeting women and “Date a Trucker” on the very same sites. I see job placement agencies encouraging “Displaced Homemakers” who are Women who have maintained a household for many years and for whatever reason are now unmarried and have little or no job skills.
Enter Job Placement recruiters who offer a free voucher to pay for CDL School making light of the REAL work required to become successful in this industry.
While it’s true that anyone with the ability to listen and learn can become a trucker in my opinion there are other elements to this job that Women may not be prepared for.
I’ve covered the obvious in many of my other posts but let’s talk about some other scenarios:
A Woman recently Divorced after 25 years of Marriage has little experience and is encouraged to go to CDL School from her Unemployment Office. She gets a good Male trainer and he teaches her everything she needs to know. She begins to romanticize about his concern for her learning. He does not make a pass at her but this makes her like him even more. She initiates sex and wrongly assumes they will ride off into the sunset together. At the end of her training period she assumes they will drive as a team together but he has no intentions of running as a team. She is hurt and angry and feels used. He goes to pick up another female student and she becomes angry and reports him for harassment.
Was she naïve? Yes
Who is in control here? Both of them
Who is the professional here? He is, he is the teacher, she is the student. Proper training for him would help him recognize the situation he was about to get himself into and get her off his truck before it got out of hand.
Anyone from a corporate environment who has had Sexual Harassment Training has learned this but it does not exist in trucking yet increased recruitment of Women does. See a potential problem?
Who knows trucking?
Even a street smart gal gets her heart broken from getting too caught up in a tryst. Let’s face it ladies, trucking provides a lot of anonymity and that’s a big attraction for a “player” OR someone who thought “YOU” understood it was fun while it lasted.
But let’s get back to “Street Smarts”:
1. Street Law is this: “You Snitch, You Die”
Anyone who has ever been around gangs knows that if you join a girl gang there are only 2 ways to get “initiated”.
1. A gang bang , sometimes watched by other girls in the gang
2. Beat in, where the others literally beat the shit out of you.
In some gangs it is perfectly acceptable to share, sell or trade women amongst gang members with other woman watching and sometimes participating. Is that what Women in the Trucking Industry mean when they say you need “Street Smarts” to be successful in the trucking industry?
Then there are those really “Tough Girls” who think they are “One of the Boys” … Guess what… “YOU are NEVER one of the boys”! I don’t care if you dress, talk, walk or act like a boy, your males buddies are wondering what it would be like to have sex with you and may have discussed it with their friends when you walked out of earshot, and sometimes NOT in a good way.
Some of the toughest bitches I know have been raped because they thought they were “One of the Boys”, got drunk with Guys who were as tough as them who they thought were just like brothers to them.
The “Tough Girl”, “The Woman Scorned” and the “Rolling Cathouse”, all Women, all part of the trucking industry and every other industry as well.
Professionalism, Training and Self-Control alleviates much of this mess.
In my US Xpress comments on the original post I mentioned my conversation with a former Driver/Trainer who told me when he was assigned a Women to train he brought his Wife to meet her. After 30 minutes, his Wife would determine if she was here to Work OR Play. He told me that many times she took him aside and said “If you let her on your truck you will be getting Divorce papers!” He was happy to report he is still married. He no longer trains women at all because the quality of female recruits to trucking has declined and he began to fear for his life and his marriage.
That is the result of misleading advertising directed at Women entering Trucking.
Lack of suitable female trainers? You can refer again to poor recruiting tactics and lack of support from in-house staff. Recruiting Truck Drivers and portraying dating ads only complicates the issue further.
Again, this is an overall industry failure. Recruiting Naïve people has always been a tactic as far as I can tell but this time it’s biting back. Covering up , blaming the student. Who is in the power position?
Consider this scenario:
Single Woman attends orientation. No money, arrives on greyhound with all her belongings in boxes. Safety department person observes her acting giddy and follows her to her motel room. He was formerly in law enforcement in the same city where she is unfamiliar with her surroundings. He drops his pants and tells her to perform oral sex. She refuses but it is clear he will be her superior at this company.
Who do you believe?
The homeless woman who was joking around the night before with “The Guys”?
OR
The former law enforcement professional who is now a safety director at a large truck carrier?
Was he watching her the whole time and knew she was a perfect target because of how “outgoing” she was?
Did she “Bring it on”, Does “She deserve it”?
There are still many guys who think getting laid means getting a girl drunk and hoping she passes out so they can screw her. There are still plenty of Women who believe she “deserves it” and would not step up and speak out.
There are many naïve women and manipulative women who will make false allegations to harm someone but it takes two to “tango”.
Are Women Truckers expected to go to Charm School prior to CDL training?
Additional Reading:
Ethics: When falling in Love falls out of bounds
Stanford University Sexual Harassment Policy Online
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